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TribalBob Posted: 13.09.2018, 12:31

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Hello,

I have completed my scheduled flights for this month and have used the automated messaging system to inform my hub manager, I was looking through the flight schedules page looking for new flights in the meantime and I saw mention of "Codeshare Flights" with Tasman Airways.

I'm curious as to what this is exactly and what possible benefits/drawbacks there could be to doing one of these flights...?

Thanks!
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bbuske Posted: 13.09.2018, 12:46



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Hey, 

codeshare flights are usually flights, that an airline offers, but that are not operated by that airline itself. Hence they share the code between each other. For example, airline A flies to New York and to Miami. Airline B flies to Boston and Chicago. Airline A and Airline B have a codesharing agreement. So Airline A could do flights to Boston or Chicago, while Airline B could do flights to Miami and New York. 

Usually those flights are done with the own company aircraft. So Airline A would use its own planes to fly to Boston and Chicago. Though they usually use the original airlines flight number or a special codesharing one.  

With regards of virtual airlines, Codesharing does usually allow for a broader schedule. Here at SPA, you could do flights for Tasmanian, which are not offered by SPA. This is not just more fun but also spreads some diversity. Codesharing flight hours accumulated are usually accredited as usual, if there is no other rule stating otherwise... After all you are flying, you are accumulating hours. The downside? Well I don't see the downside of it with most VAs, as long as the hours are credited. 

In real life the downsides however can exist. For example, codesharing might result in more flight time or more company aircraft bond to schedules. So if an issue with own aircraft arise, it could be difficult to compensate, if the other aircraft are all scheduled on own flights or codesharing ones. In addition, there are different regulations about codesharing being used. While some agreements entitle the flying company to all revenue, usually the revenue is shared between both parties. After all one airline usually pays for the route fees, landing fees, etc. This means in return, that while both operators do earn some revenue, they don't earn as much as they usually would if it was their own flight. 

Still codesharing is a good way, to expand your route network or to cover some shortages in personnel or aircraft, as you can have another operator doing your flight.



edited by: bbuske, Sep 13, 2018 - 02:48 PM

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Westcoast Posted: 13.09.2018, 13:53

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The codeshare agreement described in the left menu item under "Organization" was something we set up a number of years ago when a pilot named Paul Deans was both our Fleet Manager and the head of the Tasman VA.  Paul and I worked together developing the SPA livery for the PMDG B763, which we still have in the SPA hangar.  I would have to research it to be sure, but that might have been ten years ago.  Anyhow, I just checked Tasman out and it looks like they still exist.  However, if I once had credentials at Tasman, I have long since lost them.  So I don't have access to their roster, schedules, etc.  I'd be surprised if Paul was still with them.  Given the amount of new activity we have underway at the present (e.g., incorporation of FG, expansion of SPAACARS to other platforms, Econ II (more about this later) , staffing changes, etc.), I would not recommend that we strap on another task just now.

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TribalBob Posted: 14.09.2018, 08:07

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bbuske - That was a great, in-depth explanation, thanks for that!

Westcoast - Sorry, I didn't see the "Code-Share Agreement" section, I even tried to look for more information before I asked, even did a forum search. Thanks for pointing that out to me. So, if I understand your post correctly, we're not sure if the Codeshare Flights system is currently working and you recommend to avoid any Codeshare flights for the time being...?

Thanks guys!
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bbuske Posted: 14.09.2018, 08:51



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[quote=TribalBob]bbuske - That was a great, in-depth explanation, thanks for that!Westcoast - Sorry, I didn't see the "Code-Share Agreement" section, I even tried to look for more information before I asked, even did a forum search. Thanks for pointing that out to me. So, if I understand your post correctly, we're not sure if the Codeshare Flights system is currently working and you recommend to avoid any Codeshare flights for the time being...?Thanks guys![/quote]

You are welcome. :)

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